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Thanks Will and Colin, I'll have a punt around. I've only once used a valve rectifier, using a Mercury rect will be another thingy to play with over winter.

Is an 80 or 83 more desirable to run a pair of 2A3's and a pair of drivers? They don't seem to go for silly money, are folk scared of them? :)
Nick wrote:Normally 15v or so, but its a constant 15v irrespective of current, so they provide for a low impedance supply.
Ta for info Nick and Andrew, is a low Z PSU desirable in amplifiers? Any series 'R' to avoided if poss?

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Ta for info Nick and Andrew, is a low Z PSU desirable in amplifiers? Any series 'R' to avoided if poss?
No simple answer to that, but generally as long as the supply is low enough ripple, and the low impedance doesn't create a bloody great hump in the frequency response of the supply in the middle of the audio frequency range, then yes, IMHO, I think a low Z supply is a good thing.
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'Low Z' eh - don't get technical with me!

it seems to me, in my simple way that an 80 is rather like a direct heated GZ32 and an 83 is rather like a direct heated GZ37, though 5U4 is closer in spec.

I'd monoblock with either and use one in each, or I'd use two for a complete 2A3 stereo integrated, not so much that you need the extra power; that is arguable. If you have the extra 5 volt winding, use it!

The rectifiers do look good; pale ghostly glow!
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Ah, just found a data sheet for these 80 and 83 valves, they're a bit limited current wise aren't they compared to GZ34. 250mA max per 83 http://www.nj7p.org/Tube4.php?tube=83 even less for the 80.

I'd have to check on the spec of that recently acquired Hammond mains TX to see what it could power rectifier wise, I know there's one 5V tapping for a valve rectifier. Is it OK to power to rec's off one 5V winding (as long as it can supply enough filament current) to feed each channel?

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um 83 on my integrated 300b amp was fine with one 83. Hammond 300b mains trafo, pair of 5693s, pair of 300bs. 80 is a tad lean I suppose but surely enough for a monoblock2A3?
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andrew Ivimey wrote:'Low Z' eh - don't get technical with me!
Low Z = Lo Impudunce dunnit :)

Mind you it could also describe the Zephyr boys skateboarding style in the mid 70's...

Low Z....ala Jay Adams, OG Zephyr skater in Santa Monica 1976/7
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DTB Z boy style in 1978 out side Mum the bass's house....
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I have a few 80 and 83's there is also a 80S which in indirect heated although it does not look much like a 80

i may have to give them a go.. after that write up Will

I came across some stc 4274a ...they look quite a recifier..
they are Devon's (Paington's to be precise) equiv of the WE 274a

I gather by the prices they seem to fetch they are either rare or they sound very good.. as any one tried those ?... Will...
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Well WE 274s ............... no.

But diyhifisupply was selling valve arts 274s for £8 each so I bought 4. Huge classic bottle shape and I am using one in my SEXamp, just for looks.

Peeps tend to get moist eyed about WE274s. Justifiable? I wonder.
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andrew Ivimey wrote: But diyhifisupply was selling valve arts 274s for £8 each so I bought 4. Huge classic bottle shape and I am using one in my SEXamp, just for looks.
:lol: thats what makes this place and it members 'special'....!

Blimey, all these new (to me) rectifiers coming out the woodwork. I dunno where to start, whats a 274 do that a GZ34 doesn't? S'not Merc Rec is it, it looks like a standard FW rectifier.

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I think a 274 is a higher resistance rectifier, so lower charging spikes.

If you need higher current the 866 is next on the ladder, 250ma PIV 10kv, peak current 1amp. 500ma constant for a PIV of 2.5kv
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Nick wrote:I think a 274 is a higher resistance rectifier, so lower charging spikes.
Do I read 'higher resistance' as higher Z too Nick? The GZ34 is pref here?

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Dave the bass wrote:
Nick wrote:I think a 274 is a higher resistance rectifier, so lower charging spikes.
Do I read 'higher resistance' as higher Z too Nick? The GZ34 is pref here?

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Yes, but you need to play with "Power Supply Designer" to see how the resistance of the supply alters how it responds to step changes. You can see from that its not as simple as some seem to suggest.
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Awwwww, it's back to PSUD again innit.

When's the next Owston? Simon was going to show me how to use it in person in exchange for beer :D

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Steve WE274a are worth more than WE300b and go for £600-700

I've been selling a few valves and listed a couple on Ebay US W/Electric
the prices came as shock, I had a singleWE262b input valve untested I thought £30 it went to Honkers for £177.00.
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#165 Phhhwwwoooaaarrrr... a couple of bigguns...

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Oooo, postman has just called....

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Meshy loveliness...
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Though I didn't realise just how BIG they were going to be. Blimey!
KT88 for reference...
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New toys for big kid to play with :)

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