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Paul Barker wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:22 am ...
The problem is replacement knee joints are a pile of crap! youre much better off working with youre own knees to the last.
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Two things: I did use my original knee to the last - unfortunately there was no cartilage left and it was bone-on-bone...

Also, I'd disagree with the rather sweeping statement that "replacement knee joints are a pile of crap!" - I'm largely pain free, have over 120 degrees of movement and can easily walk hilly half-marathons at 4mph with no after effects. I also do at least one stint of swimming 64 lengths (1.6km/1 mile) a week, again with no I'll effects. Cycling is tricky but I'm getting there and I've done a few tennis sessions - unlikely to be able to play decent singles again, but social doubles is fine.

Granted, the bearing surface is only expected to last 10-15 years but the plastic bit that eventually wears out can be replaced in a minor operation - the heavy engineering bits last until death!

So, overall I'm deeply impressed with the new knee.
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Im glad for you. Ive heard many stories of multiple attempts leading to total failure and no more can be done after so many goes.

A rich man I met who sells knees gave me some good advice. “never run”.
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Im glad for you. Ive heard many stories of multiple attempts leading to total failure and no more can be done after so many goes.
I think that may be your problem there. People tend not to post stories about success.
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I believe our Simon was into selling artificial joints, and that some were better (ie longer lasting) than others.

I would think cost would be the deciding factor.
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Not much point putting a joint that will last 50 years into a 80- year old knee.
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Nick wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:34 pm Not much point putting a joint that will last 50 years into a 80- year old knee.
I agree. :)
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pre65 wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:43 pm
Nick wrote: Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:34 pm Not much point putting a joint that will last 50 years into a 80- year old knee.
I agree. :)
Most knee replacement joints are a compromise between function and longevity. Most last about 10 to 15 years, no more. You cannot run on them as that destroys the bearing surface. My knee is unusual in the I can have just the plastic bearing bit replaced easily in a minor operation, so the replacement knee as a whole will definitely outlast me.

According to my consultant (who has an excellent reputation going back 30 or so years), there are about 60 knees on the market offering a range of specialities, e.g. general, tennis, golf, cycling etc. However he says that the more specialised the knee, the shorter the life. He has 4 that are tried and tested over a long time and with which he has had the best long-term results, all available on the NHS.

Mine is from Smith and Nephew and was the one he recommended for me, however I could have chosen any of the others. My op was in a Bupa hospital though was all NHS funded, so I got the consultant, hospital and knee I wanted all on the NHS. Post-op physio was also at the Bupa hospital, it was excellent and also NHS funded.
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Thanks Nick, yes it is very dependent on the man holding the hacksaw. I havent found out how hard it is to get a good result from people online. People I’ve met, Ive learned from surgeons from patients and from customers houses Ive been in. My only experience is with actual events.

Youve summed it up pretty well. The situations Ive known where it was a disaster 4 or so operations down the line, with a number of specialists input including the manufacturer personal specialist for their particular joint. The outcome; nothing more can be done. Complete fail. Here comes that old goat. All my experience was with people older and less fit than you.

Youre outcome sounds good, you sound like you had the right attention, and you did youre bit towards a good outcome.
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I havent found out how hard it is to get a good result from people online.
My point still stands, Do you ask everyone you meet if they have had a knee operation?
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An orthopedic surgeon friend of ours described his job as "carpentry'.

Anyway, as far as I know, a substantial part of my op was done by a robot.
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jack wrote: Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:49 am

Anyway, as far as I know, a substantial part of my op was done by a robot.
I wish lesleys new hip had been done by a robot, had it been right the 1st time she would have been walking around normally.
Instead they have now discovered that some of the nerves to her quad muscles (above her knee cap) have been pulled out her spine, so has to wait whilst they grow back !
At least she knows a few hospital directors and is getting slightly faster treatment.
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All the negative talk about replacement knees…speak to the numerous guys I play Squash and Racket ball with running about on them and a few with hip replacements as well…they seem to be doing all right.
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Yes, selection bias is a thing,
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Surgery is like any any other job, there are good and bad surgeons, off days, and ops that don't go well..
And with replacing joints, fitting the correct size and type for the patient.
That yorkshire term 'that'll do' can mean perfection or something way off the mark
My late neighbour was a heart surgeon for many years , with a few whiskies down him, he would tell some surprising stories about the actual ops..
As to the actual joints, the quality control there is in a different league
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