OK, let me explain myself a little better.
Ray P wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:05 am
1. My suspicions, apparently well-founded, were that Pogacar wasn't fit enough to win because of his injury and I thought he might fade - in a subsequent post race interview he more or less said that. I think Jumbo Visma's team tactics may have been predicated on that assumption.
2. Vingegard is simply an exceptional athlete.Rest assured,
3. Vingegard will be subject to the most rigorous doping checks, especially as he's riding in France on the TdF.
4. Incidentally, Is the assumption that teams who aren't signed-up to MPCC must be cheating? I see UAE aren't signed up to MPCC but also observe that some of the teams who are are putting in a good showing, Wednesday's stage winner for example. Not sure how that fits the two-tier model?
1. I don't see the data point that Vingegaard won decisively on Wednesday and Pogacar cracked is a strong piece of evidence to choose. You can easily interprete this both ways -
Ray : Vingegaard is the superior althlete, Pogacar finally cracked because he didn't get enough racing in the run-up ; the fall he had wasn't enough to affect that because he conceded afterwards.
Mark : Pogacar has been banging his head against the brick wall of Jumbo Visma at the front of the race for nearly three weeks. it's not surprising that he finally cracked when dealing with a team and a rider that are doing something suspicious, like winning a time trial by 5%. The fall in the first hour can't have helped, and he handles the extreme heat a little less well that Vingegaard. He has shown himself to be extremely generous in defeat.
2. I agree with you and have not suggested otherwise. I have been previously well-disposed to him. I still think he's a decent guy.
3. He will, and is. This will not pick out a rider's whose team are potentially using something new and unethical that is not currently on the proscribed list. This is where we were in the early 90's. You must know that this is a weak argument in the context of Armstrong.
4. First point, NO. They just use a few things that are borderline unethical but not banned by the UCI yet. The two-tier situation is alive and well. The first MPCC rider is Hindley at 7th and 13:50. He won the Giro last year. All of the French GC contenders have fallen away from contention in the last 4 years. How can you suggest that one good rider with the right tactical nous, winning yesterday, could upset the general trend ?
"Once you find out ... the Circumstances ; then you can go out"