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#61 Re: Yorkshire Hi-Fi Club

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FFS it is a mains cable, anyone with any brain cells will know *no matter how it is built, and from what* those prices are a complete rip-off and joke.

The level of rip-off from both of them is bordering on criminal IMO. AND it shows up the statement that he exists for showing up RA for doing this :roll:

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#62 Re: Yorkshire Hi-Fi Club

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I feel you may have missed the point of a capitalist economy.
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#63 Re: Yorkshire Hi-Fi Club

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You have missed the moral point, we do not live in an unfettered capitalist market .

Just because some one will buy it doesn't mean you as an individual need to sell it .
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No, probably better to let some one else sell it.
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That is an argument that would justify drug dealing .

We all make moral decisions , it is incumbent upon members of society to comment on other peoples moral decisions its what makes societies better in the absence of laws . The postmodern free for all we currently live in , is turning society to shit via a shit storm of individualism .
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Have you just stopped and listened to yourself for a moment? Your slippery slope line of logic has got you to the point where you can equate selling illegal drugs with selling a mains cable.
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Illegal drugs would probably bring more benefit to the listening experience. Cheaper too.
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it is incumbent upon members of society to comment on other peoples moral decisions its what makes societies better in the absence of laws
Ok, just for fun then. what is your position on a supplier artificially restricting the supply of a product in the face of obvious need of that product, just to avoid paying a tax that will be to the direct benefit of society?

I personally have no problem with that, but I would think from a stronger moral position that would be problematic.
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Nick, :

I said peperoni argument logically leads to drug dealing , it is not correct to say I did . Peperoni said , "no better let someone else sell it" That is an argument for removing the morality out of commerce , Ie - that is clearly an argument that ultimately leads to selling drugs.

My argument is that morality should be firmly placed within commerce . And just because somebody does it and it is legal does not mean it is okay.

No need to apologise for misrepresenting me . :wink:
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peperoni wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:37 am I feel you may have missed the point of a capitalist economy.
So the point of a capitalist society is to rip people off. It may be your take on capitalism it is not mine. Any extremes of socialism and capitalism leave themselves open to criticism and comment.

So if I went into my garden and got a slug and put it up at ebay for £1000 I wouldn't be ripe for piss take and being called a crook :roll:

It would largely be seen as a joke as these mains cables should be.
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Nick wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:11 am
it is incumbent upon members of society to comment on other peoples moral decisions its what makes societies better in the absence of laws
Ok, just for fun then. what is your position on a supplier artificially restricting the supply of a product in the face of obvious need of that product, just to avoid paying a tax that will be to the direct benefit of society?

I personally have no problem with that, but I would think from a stronger moral position that would be problematic.
Define artificiality ? The person you refer to is a one man band and is also above retirement age . It is a societal service he is still building the product .

from each according to his abilities from each according to his means .

The tax you refer to is VAT , vat is an amoral tax . remaining below the vat threshold it is serving purchasers , which is far more beneficial than going above it .
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The reason is not to avoid tax, and I don't avoid it, I pay it on all goods bought and cannot claim that back as registered businesses do. I do it for simplicity, my life is devoted to simplicity, in product design, business and personally. I hate bloody faff, and having to deal with and account for VAT is a giant FAFF I do not want in my life.
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Define artificiality
I would define it in the sense of making a personally choice instead of allowing the natural dynamic of supply and demand to take effect.
The person you refer to is a one man band and is also above retirement age
Yes, very true, so in that case you are ok with individual choice affecting societal good, but in the case of someone offering a mains cable for sale, we should take issue with that from a moral position?
vat is an amoral tax
I could agree with that on some grounds, however I would suggest that given the likely income of a customer for a £1600 mains cable, I would have thought you would be in favour of it from a position of distribution of wealth.
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Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:20 am The reason is not to avoid tax, and I don't avoid it, I pay it on all goods bought and cannot claim that back as registered businesses do. I do it for simplicity, my life is devoted to simplicity, in product design, business and personally. I hate bloody faff, and having to deal with and account for VAT is a giant FAFF I do not want in my life.
Yes, I get that and as I said I have no problem with any of that, none of my business, but from DQ's strict position by only paying VAT on what you buy and not charging VAT on what you sell you are reducing the overall VAT income into the government.
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There is no such thing as the "dynamic of supply and demand" It is economic gobble gook , demand is dependant on many things , price , workforce , product , distribution of wealth and a whole host of cultural and ideological issues . Is selling a phono stage at £12.000 artificially restricting demand . To speak of artificiality in the context you have is meaningless nonsense , it is simply a person making decisions that suit their circumstances . There is nothing amoral about it .

Yes , I object to somebody selling something with a massive mark-up and/or questionable efficacy . That is my Marxist moral and economic position , it pertains to all that is wrong with Capitalism and associated commodity fetishism .

VAT does not re-distribute Wealth . End off .
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