Audio Talk meet Owston, Doncaster, 10&11 june 17

[Nick]

I have been managerial and got rid of the new one, the one that was there before is perfectly good for the job.

[Firebottle]

I moaned about Firebottle because he is one of them polluting AoS with Marco's permission, and all for £50 He is largely a direct seller and I would promote him apart from the games he has played trying to stop open comparison of his Phono stage with others. I suppose he couldn't get out of it at Owston, but I have been trying to get it to happen for over two years since he started spamming AoS

You've pushed thing just too far now Mr Fuckwit Honeydew, rather like calling Ali a liar.

Every thing in the above quote is bullshit, I don't 'pollute' any forum, for those that know me via the AoS forum will know that I share a lot of my experience and expertise freely in order to help others.
As for playing games to prevent comparison to my designs that is laughable, I'm more than keen to have comparisons made.

To be factual my KIN phono design has now been compared to your Phono 2 previously, and to the Phono 1 at Owston and has out performed both of them.

Think on this fact : For the phono shoot out at Owston, which was very revealing in that very subtle differences could be heard between stages, the supporting amplification was also my design, the power amplifier being a valve/mosfet hybrid. The design was undertaken to specifically negate the need to spend multi hundreds of pounds on the necessary iron in a correspondingly performing all valve amplifier.
I am going to post a thread giving the full details of this amplifier so others can go down this same route if they wish. I'm all for sharing not criticising.

Alan

[Nick]

and to the Phono 1 at Owston and has out performed both of them.

Sorry, Alan, did I miss that, I remember comparing a number of stages and deciding they sounded different but "better" was harder to decide, I also remember Thomas's seemed to be the one that was best regarded, and I remember on the Saturday when using the Radiohead test track that one of your stages was replaced with the NVA one and the NVA one was better at revealing the voice as natural.

[Daniel Quinn]

Thanks Fireybum you have made me laugh .

you do of course protest two much . When was phono 2 compared to your kin stage ? I know of 2 genuine comparisons both expressed a preference for the NVA , one of them being progemiester who hates the doc so much he sold it , but he said the NVA was significantly superior .

lets stick to facts not insults eh .

A phono 1 also costs a mere £250.

as for polluting AOS , if the recent whest comparison debacle is not audio pollution I would struggle to know what is .

as for Ali , I think I have established factual inconsistencies in his version of events.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

A challenge me thinks

Anytime you are ready fireybum, I will even let you pick a price point. Shall we let Nick or Cressy host it with a couple of members from their area, neither of us involved apart from supply.

If I have a choice in the matter I would say open it out. The other obvious one that is in competitive shill creating and spamming war with you at AoS is Arkwright, open all hours, giz us a job, the pub needs me, and his modified Cambridge Audio beast. That one has lots of followers, and then we will be recreating the bake-off that should have happened at NEBO5 (or was it 6) that was sabotaged, that debacle caused the fallout at HFS with Prog and The Born Again Bouncer at who now runs NEBO.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

I love bake-offs, I even don't care if I lose. I will always supply gear for an organised bake-off on a specific item / price point.

[Firebottle]

and to the Phono 1 at Owston and has out performed both of them.

Sorry, Alan, did I miss that, I remember comparing a number of stages and deciding they sounded different but "better" was harder to decide, I also remember Thomas's seemed to be the one that was best regarded, and I remember on the Saturday when using the Radiohead test track that one of your stages was replaced with the NVA one and the NVA one was better at revealing the voice as natural.

The phono shoot out on Sunday morning was set up initially to compare MM stages, or MC/MM capable when set to MM, specifically to include the Phono 1. I'll let other recall what the preferences were.
Thomas's stage was I think universally regarded as the best sound.

When Ali's SUT was removed and MC input stages were compared my OTP stage showed a marked improvement in performance, but still short of valve based stages.
You are correct on the Radiohead test track when the MM NVA was more natural.

[Firebottle]

Thanks Fireybum you have made me laugh .

you do of course protest two much . When was phono 2 compared to your kin stage ? I know of 2 genuine comparisons both expressed a preference for the NVA , one of them being progemiester who hates the doc so much he sold it , but he said the NVA was significantly superior .

lets stick to facts not insults eh .

A phono 1 also costs a mere £250.vents.

Glad I made you laugh, you come across as such a sour puss usually.
Also if you are sticking to facts try getting them correct in the future, the Phono 1 is £280, not £250.

For a comparison to the Phono 2 see here http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthre ... post827899

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

I don't remember this and reading it now has got me thinking blimey what a shill spam troll . There are only your shills ears involved in it. This was a set up and you know it. I think your nose was out of joint about what Prog said about the two stages.

Lets get an unbiased bake-off organised, are you up for it. Not only have I seen others saying the NVA out did the fireybum but also others saying Jez's full Cambs convert beating yours.

Neutral ground, no shills, no designers, no well directed arse licks, just honesty for a change, you up for it.

Open to all, come on Nick and Cressy get yours involved and put both of us to shame

[ed]

I'm gobsmacked(invitation to respond)

This forum has managed to survive for 10 years without any of this bollocks.. Is this really the cost of keeping it alive?

It seems to me that this is the fodder of all those other forums, and almost universally the inhabitants here have stated 'we are not like those other forums' and imo the difference is what's made it good here.


All this posturing takes me back to my favourite winge.......the playground mentality...my ferrari is faster than your ford escort.

just sayin

edit: I wasn't at Owston so I really shouldn't pollute the thread...but I did!

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Ed I have just pulled out his true intention on being here, look at his posts, look at his sig, the reason he smiled and arse licked his way through Owston weekend. It is not hard to spot. But having been spotted and pointed at hopefully as was said in previous post about other trade who come here and realise there is no slurp for them here.

I am not here to sell anything nor to prove anything, just to present options for people to try as is the point of Doc Mods. BUT I am still trade and so is Firey, and yet again this is an overspill problem that hasn't been allowed to work itself out because of bans and blocks, here there are none, so as I said in previous post that has allowed our paths to cross that is NOT ALLOWED anywhere else. So the problem has festered, now with this forums help it can be settled. Bake offs are brilliant things if not hi-jacked as a marketing process.

As I say I love Bake-offs even if I lose. I have very good relationship with LindsayT even though he is a valve man, and that mutual respect means he is a mod at HFS. I was at a Bake-off about 10 years ago in S London when his single ended 300B amp pissed on a NVA AP50 into the speaker (horns) we were using. I laughed and told him, so he has respected my honesty ever since. I really don't mind being beaten, all it means is I have to try harder and improve what I do. Proper bake-off promoted on line could be the saviour of honesty in this industry which is why the slurpers are so scared of them, preferring to employ shills.

[Michael L]

There must be more appropriate forums for this pathetic rubbish. A high price to pay indeed.

[Max N]

I'm gobsmacked(invitation to respond)

This forum has managed to survive for 10 years without any of this bollocks.. Is this really the cost of keeping it alive?

It seems to me that this is the fodder of all those other forums, and almost universally the inhabitants here have stated 'we are not like those other forums' and imo the difference is what's made it good here.


All this posturing takes me back to my favourite winge.......the playground mentality...my ferrari is faster than your ford escort.

just sayin

edit: I wasn't at Owston so I really shouldn't pollute the thread...but I did!

I have to agree with you Ed.
Doc, you lecture us like a broken record about how we shouldn't allow commercial operators to post on here, and then crap all over yet another thread in a pissing contest 'my commercial phono stage is better than yours'.
Doc, can you not hear how pathetic you sound?
'I am not here to sell anything nor to prove anything'.
You have been more blatantly commercial than any poster on this forum I can remember.
If you want to promote your commercial phono stages, at least start a new thread instead of de-railing this one.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

You obviously didn't read what I wrote, I have done nothing of the sort. I seriously hate it when people rewrite what I said.

There is no NVA promotion here, there is challenging the reality of this mans spam. I even offer reality check and for you lot to do it and I would be absolutely fine if reality shows me to be wrong. Note the silence from the other side or are you here to play his ball for him, to try and get it stopped.

Where have I said trade shouldn't post here, again you rewrite my posts and words. I am pointing at and giving an opinion, you do what you bloody well want.

[shane]

This may be the only forum that allows your petty little squabbles, but that doesn't mean you're obliged to use it for that purpose. I really value yours and Alan's contributions, and yes, I know you're both "trade" but this continual sniping and insulting is totally unfair to the rest of us. If you've got a problem with someone, ring him up, or email him. Sort it out SOMEWHERE ELSE. You seem to be incapable of realising that nobody wants to know. You keep saying how unique this forum is, and how lucky we are. Well it might surprise you to know that we know that, and we treasure it, and we're universally fed up with you fucking it up for everyone. We love Doc mods, we enjoy your insight into the industry, but for fuck's sake will you please stop slagging people off!