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#10891 Re: Nothing In Particular

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Nick wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:59 pm
And what are we going to call The Peoples' Republic Of South Yorkshire now that hell has frozen over?
how about "Tory scum"?
go steady, the ground is not that firm round your way......

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I'm still wondering if everywhere north of Nottingham is still trying to vote maggie out(except all those socialists that have just voted to get brexit done)
strange times indeed
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#10892 Re: Nothing In Particular

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pre65 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:31 pm I wonder what percentage of your "Tory scum" are in reality diehard Labour supporters who felt that the Labour party had deserted them ?
Clearly a use of "diehard" I have not seen before.

It was meant to be a light hearted answer instead of a call to class war, but I just don't see how the Labour party had deserted anyone unless they had a very different definition of socialism. But all too late now.
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ed wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:15 pm
Nick wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:59 pm
And what are we going to call The Peoples' Republic Of South Yorkshire now that hell has frozen over?
how about "Tory scum"?
go steady, the ground is not that firm round your way......

lab -6.6
tory -1.0
brexit +6.1
lib +2.7
green +2.0

I'm still wondering if everywhere north of Doncaster is still trying to vote maggie out(except all those socialists that have just voted to get brexit done)
strange times indeed
Its almost as if people are used to voting for tv dancing shows, and they don't think it will have any real effect on their lives. I mean, what did the people who voted brexit in the above list of swings expect would be the result of their votes.

Its a horrible venn diagram between leave/remain left/right. It was a simple answer for Boris, he had already got rid of most of the remain tory members and the majority of tory voters were remain anyway, so standing on a tory/remain ticket was clearly optimal. But given that slightly more labour traditional voters voted remain than leave (but this was not spread uniformly across the seats) then neither a labour/leave or a labour/remain ticket would gain more than 50%-60% of their traditional vote. So they tried a labour/"we will let you chose again later" platform which failed.

Farage provided a "none of the above"/leave option which which was good enough for the folk who wanted a "not the tory's"/leave option, but that combined with first past the post turned it into a vote for the tories.

People were clearly more attached to their referendum choice than their political choice. What happens next could be interesting though once we have left the EU for some value of leave and Boris becomes the tory/null position again.
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Indeed. They've been able to play the 'everything's the fault of the EU [apart from the bits that are the fault of Labour]' card very effectively. It's a good example of the eternal political reality: have a handful of simple soundbites. It doesn't matter if they're true or not, especially if a majority of the mainstram media is of the same political stance. Use these to present apparently positive message: the sole cause / handful of causes of all ills, and if addressed, we will be in the sunlit uplands of peace & prosperity (I heard Johnson paraphrase that one). Then just keep repeating. If it's a sufficiently emotive issue: it works. And the EU was an easy target / basis for this, especially since it's far from perfect.

I'll give Cummings et al credit for this (while dreaming of new and ingenious torture): they've played a political blinder, converting by that and other methods what started as a catastrophic internal Tory party cock-up into something they could actually engineer into one of the largest majorities for years. 'Get Brexit Done'. Means nothing, but appealed on a core level to the disenfranchised who have been hit hardest by austerity because we all like to kid ourselves there is a single cause to every issue, and traditionally externalising a problem is an excellent way of distracting from (usually the real) causes that lie closer to home. So successfully in this case that few seemed to ask who it was in government for the last 9 years, who chose to implement the policies that have caused so much resentment.
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#10895 Re: Nothing In Particular

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My problem, throughout the past few years, has been the turnout.

100 people are in a room and are asked to pick between blue and red as a favourite colour. 34 pick blue, 32 pick red, and 34 stay silent. What's the favourite colour of the group?

There's such a large number of people that didn't vote, for whatever reason, that I'd debate the statistical significance of the results.


I'm also sick of the greasy men in suits - they're all out for themselves, and nothing bad seems to stick to them. I suspect the large proportion of the media owned by Friends of Tories has something to do with that. Corbyn isn't perfect, but he's one of the few politicians that I think honestly stands by what he believes in. I'd rather an honest person whose intentions aren't perfectly aligned with mine, than a liar who claims to be on my side.

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#10896 Re: Nothing In Particular

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chris661 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:40 pm My problem, throughout the past few years, has been the turnout.

100 people are in a room and are asked to pick between blue and red as a favourite colour. 34 pick blue, 32 pick red, and 34 stay silent. What's the favourite colour of the group?

There's such a large number of people that didn't vote, for whatever reason, that I'd debate the statistical significance of the results.
oh!
listen! 34 people don't count(don't matter)
we live in a democracy so 32 people must now choose blue as their favourite colour. or not.

snigger

btw, on one level it's been my problem as well, it can be viewed as an extension of the red ferrari logic conundrum.
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Radio news item couple of days ago said John Major said the country is facing its worst crisis since the second world war :shock:
 
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Read that one, yes. The most recent one I saw was from Peter Oborne, log-time writer for the Telegraph, Mail and Spectator.
The most scathing one was from Peter Boles, ex MP.
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The People's Republic of Tory Scum. Might catch on I suppose :-).

So did anyone spot my song lyric reference yesterday? Or were you all deeply unimpressed? :lol:
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Hell frozen over, the Eagles?
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Nope, not intentionally anyway, but you're right, it was a live double album I seem to recall.
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#10902 Re: Nothing In Particular

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prosy

most dictionaries describe the word as meaning dull and uninteresting

I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant, but I can't think of a song reference....
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ed wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:05 pm ... meaning dull and uninteresting....
Ah, back to The Eagles again?...
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simon wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:01 pm Is theatre really dead?
Simon and Garfunkel - The Dangling Conversation.



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Nuts! That didn't work on my phone.
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