Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
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#196 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Too right. I'd also buy from elsewhere rather than giving them business.
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#197 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Drivers are going to our Ant (sorry Phil).
Keeping them in the family.
Keeping them in the family.
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#198 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
No problem Steve, I understand.Cressy Snr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:54 am Drivers are going to our Ant (sorry Phil).
Keeping them in the family.
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#199 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Cheers Phil,
He texted me last night about 5 seconds after I read your post, so I couldn't really tell him no, him being family and all that.
Provided Ed didn't want them, they were his, but he's still going to have to cough up.
So... he'll be continuing my 15" FR thread with his build.
Dimensions for the cabs have all been worked out, so he should be pretty quick doing them once he gets going; a lot quicker than me at any rate
The 12 inch speakers seem to have opened up some more at the bottom end, still running in then, cone suspension loosening up a bit more. Just enjoying some John Dowland lute music, played by Nigel North, on Naxos. Lovely stuff.
He texted me last night about 5 seconds after I read your post, so I couldn't really tell him no, him being family and all that.
Provided Ed didn't want them, they were his, but he's still going to have to cough up.
So... he'll be continuing my 15" FR thread with his build.
Dimensions for the cabs have all been worked out, so he should be pretty quick doing them once he gets going; a lot quicker than me at any rate
The 12 inch speakers seem to have opened up some more at the bottom end, still running in then, cone suspension loosening up a bit more. Just enjoying some John Dowland lute music, played by Nigel North, on Naxos. Lovely stuff.
Sgt. Baker started talkin’ with a Bullhorn in his hand.
#200 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
What kind of size are these boxes going to be Steve?
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#201 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Rather large
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#202 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Internal dimensions:
H - 32.5in
W - 20.5in
D - 12.75in
They'll need a horizontal holey brace just below the driver which is centred on the baffle, driver centre 10.25" from the top, right and left of the baffle board. With some legs on the cabs, the driver will be at ear height when sitting.
As Ant said... rather large
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#203 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Not too bad in all fairness.... no taller or deeper than a regular floorstander... just about 3 times wider.....
Sounds like a nice project. May have a go at building some myself...
Thanks Steve and good luck with the build Ant.
Sounds like a nice project. May have a go at building some myself...
Thanks Steve and good luck with the build Ant.
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#204 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Interesting - that's a bit like the aspect ratio James chose for the FX120 sealed units ( 'Speakers for my son' ) . Using width to lower the baffle-step frequency...
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#205 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Yes, and further, it begs the question, why not consider baffles? Of course, I recognise it would mean different driver(s) and a different cost, but considering size in the living room, why not?
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#206 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
I think you've answered the question there - bigger, open (not as smart) and different driver. I'm looking forward to hearing what Steve has done with these.
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#207 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Only 3 sets of baffles have ever done it for me. Steves, james's and wills that had the big field coils in them.
So no baffles for me, I havent the time, money or inclination to bother
If I'm honest, interest has waned for it all over the past 12 months, im at the point where I don't really care any more. I dont build much, if anything anymore. The only priority is looking after Emma. Its difficult to be able to build orders for other people, and I cant take on as many jobs as I could 6 months ago.
So embarking on some epic speaker project that could take years to develop like Steves baffles, marks speakers, or anything else really is simply not a consideration
The 12s are the only things I've heard in the past 12 months that have pricked my ears up that are remotely achievable. Im not going to get a Cole lcr phono stage, which is the only other thing I've been grabbed by.
I should he able to build the cabs in the space of a few days given reasonable weather, so is achievable in a short space of time and there is no deadline to get it done.
So no baffles for me, I havent the time, money or inclination to bother
If I'm honest, interest has waned for it all over the past 12 months, im at the point where I don't really care any more. I dont build much, if anything anymore. The only priority is looking after Emma. Its difficult to be able to build orders for other people, and I cant take on as many jobs as I could 6 months ago.
So embarking on some epic speaker project that could take years to develop like Steves baffles, marks speakers, or anything else really is simply not a consideration
The 12s are the only things I've heard in the past 12 months that have pricked my ears up that are remotely achievable. Im not going to get a Cole lcr phono stage, which is the only other thing I've been grabbed by.
I should he able to build the cabs in the space of a few days given reasonable weather, so is achievable in a short space of time and there is no deadline to get it done.
#208 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Ok, get and understand all that. I realise that suggesting baffles would need to open up consideration on other drivers any way. It was the size thing that made me suggest it and nothing more. Without doubt I’m positively looking forward to having a good listen to Steve’s latest at Owston. One of the major attractions in my opinion.
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#209 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Steady on chaps. There seems to be a level of expectation being built around these speakers, from folk who have not heard them, that is getting a teensy bit uncomfortable.
They are merely a take on the 1950s/60s "infinite baffle" principle and use a very good wideband driver, and as such, there aren't many around these days. They are highly sensitive drivers put in reasonably sized cabinets, unlike the wardrobe cabs of the old speakers so no low bass whatsoever... zero, nada!
What's more, sit directly on axis to them at healthy volume, and they'll loosen your fillings, singe your whiskers, blow out your earwax, strip the wallpaper, or any other expression that matches human perception of rising treble response, you might care to use. As an example, at Steves, Scott got on axis to them and ended up having to leave the room, yes it was that bad, for him anyway.
So given that I will be playing to a row of chairs at Owston, those of you on the ends of the rows are going to have a lot of fun with the rising response
I know their faults and I know their virtues and when listened to off axis they play music really well. They belong to the family of transducers occupied by Quad electrostatics and big horns. As with Quads and horns, what they do well, they do superbly and whether you "buy into" their sound will be down to whether you can live with what they don't do. All the people who've heard them so far do, to varying degrees, buy into their sound, but it doesn't mean everybody will.
So let's not get too carried away and let's remember that there are a lot of other people bringing equipment who also deserve a fair hearing. I for one am very interested in the Scott designed/Colin built baffles and MLTLs (Chris's I think) using the Monacor ten inch, dual concentric driver, plus all the regular valve stuff that will be there.
They are merely a take on the 1950s/60s "infinite baffle" principle and use a very good wideband driver, and as such, there aren't many around these days. They are highly sensitive drivers put in reasonably sized cabinets, unlike the wardrobe cabs of the old speakers so no low bass whatsoever... zero, nada!
What's more, sit directly on axis to them at healthy volume, and they'll loosen your fillings, singe your whiskers, blow out your earwax, strip the wallpaper, or any other expression that matches human perception of rising treble response, you might care to use. As an example, at Steves, Scott got on axis to them and ended up having to leave the room, yes it was that bad, for him anyway.
So given that I will be playing to a row of chairs at Owston, those of you on the ends of the rows are going to have a lot of fun with the rising response
I know their faults and I know their virtues and when listened to off axis they play music really well. They belong to the family of transducers occupied by Quad electrostatics and big horns. As with Quads and horns, what they do well, they do superbly and whether you "buy into" their sound will be down to whether you can live with what they don't do. All the people who've heard them so far do, to varying degrees, buy into their sound, but it doesn't mean everybody will.
So let's not get too carried away and let's remember that there are a lot of other people bringing equipment who also deserve a fair hearing. I for one am very interested in the Scott designed/Colin built baffles and MLTLs (Chris's I think) using the Monacor ten inch, dual concentric driver, plus all the regular valve stuff that will be there.
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#210 Re: Fane 12-250TC Retro Speaker.
Re the old chestnut of open baffles. Here's the reason I don't do them: you can't put ornaments and potted plants on top of baffles.
Wide, shallow, big sealed cabs of the sort I've been doing, are not intrusive on the living space as you have to back them right up to walls to get bass.
Thus backed up, they suddenly become pieces of furniture, rather than intrusive abominations; even more so if you give them decent grilles, so WAF is assured.
All the stuff I've designed over the last 12 years, from Metronomes to omnis to big sealed boxes, has had WAF firmly at the core of the thinking behind them.
Wide, shallow, big sealed cabs of the sort I've been doing, are not intrusive on the living space as you have to back them right up to walls to get bass.
Thus backed up, they suddenly become pieces of furniture, rather than intrusive abominations; even more so if you give them decent grilles, so WAF is assured.
All the stuff I've designed over the last 12 years, from Metronomes to omnis to big sealed boxes, has had WAF firmly at the core of the thinking behind them.
Sgt. Baker started talkin’ with a Bullhorn in his hand.