#31 Re: A Question of Right and Wrong.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:31 pm
But surely, you have to take our hearing and brain into the equation ?
Do we all hear things the same ?
Do we all hear things the same ?
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Can you expand on that statement please ? For the benefit of the mad and deluded.Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:39 pm It is the same reality. Unless you are mad or deluded.
Mad and deluded persons have to have things explained.
I completely agree with you about the concert experience. When we go to a concert we are interacting with musicians performing and we have an emotional link to them. Speakers don't play music, they reproduce it and so we are only hearing a facsimile of the musician's performance, which is missing many of the emotional hooks (but can still give that tingle on occasions).Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:27 pmYet when we go home and switch the Hi Fi on, we also switch into another part of the brain in order to actualise and intellectualise the experience.....we sit there thinking "wow, what a beautiful holographic image; you know that high frequency is really clean, and the bass is really deep" do you think this at a concert? NO you have an emotional experience! You are just there, and you perceive it.
.............as long as you are reproducing the music, so once again what is that music, why is it changed.Ray P wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:59 pmI completely agree with you about the concert experience. When we go to a concert we are interacting with musicians performing and we have an emotional link to them. Speakers don't play music, they reproduce it and so we are only hearing a facsimile of the musician's performance, which is missing many of the emotional hooks (but can still give that tingle on occasions).Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:27 pmYet when we go home and switch the Hi Fi on, we also switch into another part of the brain in order to actualise and intellectualise the experience.....we sit there thinking "wow, what a beautiful holographic image; you know that high frequency is really clean, and the bass is really deep" do you think this at a concert? NO you have an emotional experience! You are just there, and you perceive it.
But, having separated the music from the performance we are able to start imposing our personal preferences on the reproduction and still achieve a valid musical reproduction.
But are you listening to and for music or are you listening to a thing!IslandPink wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:05 am Most of us want to make a guitar through some speakers sound like the real guitar. Or the band played through the speakers sound like the real band. We use the same ears to listen to the real thing or the thing played through the speakers - so we don't have to overcomplicate the business about not knowing about how each of us hears the sound.
The difference which sometimes explains the different speaker preferences is one person is listening to the vocalist in the band and another person is listening to the bassist. Since most loudspeakers are only partially successful, we get differences and arguments about which speakers are doing the best job.
Now & again we come across a speaker system that does nearly everything correctly, those events are less frequent !
I think its a very safe assumption that yes we do, unless there is some physical deformity involved. We may pay more or less attention, we may respond more emotionally than intellectually, we may like different forms of music. But I think we all hear the same.
We all hear the same things but do we all hear things the same; if you include the way we react to the signals arriving in our brains as part of the hearing experience maybe not.
Agreed Mark.IslandPink wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:05 am Most of us want to make a guitar through some speakers sound like the real guitar. Or the band played through the speakers sound like the real band. We use the same ears to listen to the real thing or the thing played through the speakers - so we don't have to overcomplicate the business about not knowing about how each of us hears the sound.
The difference which sometimes explains the different speaker preferences is one person is listening to the vocalist in the band and another person is listening to the bassist. Since most loudspeakers are only partially successful, we get differences and arguments about which speakers are doing the best job.
Now & again we come across a speaker system that does nearly everything correctly, those events are less frequent !