Technics Sp10 Woes

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#91 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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The correct setting is in the service manual. Show us what you are getting.
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#92 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Hi Nick, there must be something wrong, I have connected exactly as the manual said. I have taken a photo of the connections. I am still getting two saw tooth wave forms. See photos.
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#93 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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THat would point to a short somewhere or a fault somewhere around the sample and hold area and R186. Maybe a failed TR151.
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#94 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Hi Nick, just looked at the circuit diagram and found the R186 that is supposed to be a 150K resistor. will check it tonight. also the TR151, 152, 153 & 154, they are a JFET?
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#95 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Yes, its the sample and hold that implements the phase lock. the pulse samples the ramp at the position it is at the time, and that held value is then used to provide the phase lock signal to the turntable.
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#96 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Hi Nick, Tested the resistor between S & T, reading is 147.7K. Also tested the scope probes, just in case there was a short in them, they are both fine.
so it looks like the TR 151 could be faulty. Will check it tonight. Testing JFets is a little different to std standard transistors, is that correct?
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#97 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Yep, though TBH, I would just get a replacement and replace it.
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#98 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Hi Nick, I can do that, I purchased a full set of replacement transistors, so if you ever need any.
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#99 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Hi Nick, replaced TR 151 with a 2SK30a, still getting identical waveforms. I was looking at the circuit diagram and test points S & T are adjacent to TR153 & TR154, could any of these be the culprit? I will test around them and see what happens.
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#100 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Yep maybe also check for a short somewhere. Trace back from the gate if that meet and see if the pulse appears.
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#101 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Lots of smily faces, Nick, you wont believe it, I got it going with the right wave forms. The only thing that needed adjusting was 78rpm, 33 and 45 both locked on perfectly. What I did, was replace TR121, TR128, TR151, TR152, TR153 & TR154. the whole sample and hold setup.

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#102 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Just a couple of photos to show the wave forms, hopefully they are OK in your eyes.
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#103 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Brilliant, you did the hard work, I just typed some words. Very well done. Those waves look perfect.
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#104 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Just to add, I think this thread shows the great thing about the sp10Mkii design. Unlike every other DD turntable I know of, its all done using discrete parts and some off the shelf logic (that’s still basically available). So as you have shown its all repairable.
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#105 Re: Technics Sp10 Woes

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Yup, great effort there Wolfgang, well done!
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