New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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#136 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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steve s wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:44 am I've a single nos philips 9710a driver (800 ohm) been looking for a second for years, if I was building an otl i would be based on that driver, most of the philips full range drivers have a good sound.
I've looked at those sorts of drivers at various times in the past Steve, always gave up because finding a decent pair seems to be on a par with winning the lottery.
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#137 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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and as for winding voice coils.....
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#138 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Ray P wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:36 am and as for winding voice coils.....
I'm a member of a lowther modification group (by chance). it does not look like rocket science in fact it looks quite simple, as with all these things it's about knowledge and good planning. I've a few lowther drivers that need a recone for practice
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#139 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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steve s wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:48 pm ...in fact it looks quite simple, as with all these things it's about knowledge and good planning. I've a few lowther drivers that need a recone for practice
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#140 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Heaters are operational:
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MH4s have undergone final adjustments for 4V DC at their heater pins.

Always nice to see a set of glowing heaters; it means you’re on your way to getting things finished.
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#141 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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I'm a member of a lowther modification group (by chance). it does not look like rocket science in fact it looks quite simple, as with all these things it's about knowledge and good planning. I've a few lowther drivers that need a recone for practice
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What you’re group using for suspension spider and surround?
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#142 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Cressy Snr wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:55 pm Heaters are operational:
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MH4s have undergone final adjustments for 4V DC at their heater pins.

Always nice to see a set of glowing heaters; it means you’re on your way to getting things finished.
Nice
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#143 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Many years ago a man claimed he was supplied. Cone and suspension for lowther he came and collected my pair pm6sa . Never came back, lost his details. Oops!
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#144 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Input stage power supply is completed and tested.
VR tubes (series combination of 0A2 +75C1) light up to give 228V output, prior to the anode chokes.
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Allowing for the drop across the DCR of said chokes, there should be 214V at the plate of each MH4, when the amp is operating.
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#145 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Have made a start on the output stage components:
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Piece of white paper is threaded onto the free lead on the right hand coupling cap.
This is to remind me where to start tomorrow. I seem to need these kinds of visual reminders these days.

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#146 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Finished......Deafening hum!

Then I realised that I’d used an old TKD 250K pot that had previous form for those sorts of shenanigans - Dagnabbitt!

Anyway the offending pot was removed, punted into the bin, a brand new Maplin 100K carbon track jobbie was fitted and the hum reduced dramatically. I have almost zero hum on the right channel, but the hum in the left is audible from the listening position, which is frankly not good enough.
May have to rotate the left channel anode loading choke to get the hum level acceptable on that channel, but otherwise there are no serious issues. However, I’ll try a valve swap over before messing with choke orientation.

Here’s a pic of it playing:
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#147 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Damn, blast and buggery!

It’s a MH4, Cleaned all sockets, cleaned all pins, buzz moves with valve. Offending valve makes intermittent loud bangs and low freq rustlings in speaker, and this too moves with the valve. Hum stops and starts, then stops again.

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#148 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Don't know the valve, but have you ant grid stoppers?
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#149 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Nick wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:20 pm Don't know the valve, but have you any grid stoppers?
Yep, I use them as a matter of course.
The other MH4 is fine, so I can’t see it being anything other than the valve, because the problem moves with the valve.
I just feel guilty and embarrassed that one of them doesn’t work. Feel I’ve let Steve down somewhat, as he was so generous in the first place.

It sounded great, under the hum too.
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#150 Re: New SE With Triode Mode KT120/150

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Traced fault to an intermittent centre pin (cathode) which is why the fault moves with the valve.
Suspect that wire inside pin could be broken and is making intermittent contact. I had this on an old GZ37 once. But it’s impossible to be sure.

There’s no way I’m touching anything on the valve, it’s too old and too valuable to be messing with.
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