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#1 The Latest Push-Pull Build

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With my other two push pull amp threads now a confusing array of different plans, proposals and scattered ideas,
I thought I'd be better off documenting the latest build in its own thread, now that I have settled on a plan of action.

The schematic below shows the proposal; a fully balanced EL34, stereo amplifier, based around a pentode push-pull input/driver stage, using
Martin's loan of some old RAF wartime, Mazda SP61, top-cap grid valves.

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Here is the power supply:

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It incorporates a soft start for the HT, in the form of a 100K resistor in the AC side of
the rectifier. This simple circuit protects the power supply capacitors from over voltage during initial startup, by only allowing them to trickle charge.
After a period of one minute, the 6N060T thermal delay relay closes, shorts out the resistor and allows the full HT to develop and pass
through to the valves, which, by now will be fully heated and ready to go.
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I am currently in the process of marking out a sheet of 500 x 500 x 1mm rolled steel to make the chassis.
Our Ant has provided a piece of American Black Walnut, to provide end cheeks.
The finished case will be thinner in profile than the one I am using now, and will have a conventional 90 degree front panel,
rather than the sloping one I have at present.
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So, what's the philisophy on this one, Steve ?
Is it to try the EL34's in a similar circuit to those you've recently built with other valves ?
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IslandPink wrote:So, what's the philisophy on this one, Steve ?
Is it to try the EL34's in a similar circuit to those you've recently built with other valves ?
Yep, that's about it in a nutshell.
I like the sound of EL34s as pentodes but in the KT120 amp, they are not really set up right. The present amp as you would expect, sounds best with KT120s.

Only thing I'm not sure about is the pentode differential input stage.
Not only do you have out of balance anode currents to contend with, there are also out of balance screen currents too.
I think the first stage, though it is a better driver for a partial feedback output stage is crying out for a constant current sink in its tail.

However, there is a 75V bias winding on the mains transformer I could make a negative supply out of, to stand the pentodes on.
That would allow a nice big tail resistor and would be relatively easy to implement.

Whether the resulting sound would be worth the bother, I won't know until I build the thing.
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I know a guy who might be able to help you on this ....
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I'm intrigued :)
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I just pm-ed Gary Pimm to see if he can comment ...
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IslandPink wrote:I just pm-ed Gary Pimm to see if he can comment ...
Thanks Mark :)
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Interestingly I spent the best part of yesterday, and a couple hours earlier this evening, rebuilding the audio circuit on the existing amp, as it had become an absolute rat's nest inside.
I took out all the pentode support gubbins and triode strapped the output stage, reverting to 12AT7s as drivers.

What this tells me is that triode does some things better than pentode, particularly in terms of treble tone; but pentode, for me gives the best overall compromise, and the best bass; better than triode or ultralinear.

So it sort of vindicates my choice of pentode output stage with partial feedback; all of which means, I am rather looking forward to getting the pentode driven amp going.
Below is the existing amp:

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The 6U4GT soft start TV damper diode for the input stages looks the biz.
£4.99 off ebay.
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SteveTheShadow wrote:
The 6U4GT soft start TV damper diode for the input stages looks the biz.
£4.99 off ebay.
Which seller Steve?
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The seller was bella 12358.
She is more of a jewellry and other stuff seller rather than a valve seller.
The valves can be found under "other" on her shop page.
Look like she acquired a TV repair engineer's valve caddy and is selling
the contents at £4.99 each as most of them are the same brand ie Tungsram.

There are one or two of the PY variety damper diodes on there.
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Dampers can be very cheap if you're prepared to buy from the US. I got a load of 6AX4s for a dollar each last year. By the time you've paid shopping and tax and import duty etc. it adds up but for a reasonable order it can work out good value. Course if you only want one...
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Thanks Steve....
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#15 Re: The Latest Push-Pull Build (EL34)

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SteveTheShadow wrote: The schematic below shows the proposal; a fully balanced EL34, stereo amplifier, based around a pentode push-pull input/driver stage, using
Martin's loan of some old RAF wartime, Mazda SP61, top-cap grid valves.
It's looking very interesting Steve! BTW please keep the SP61's, I don't think I will ever find a use for them in my lifetime!

Keep up the good work.

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