GK-71 - economical build.

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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by IslandPink » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:50 pm

Ah yes, I remember. Has anyone done the test with/without the VCT yet ?
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by pre65 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:05 pm

Are there any potential problems on using 100R instead of 22R ?

I've got 1 monoblock modified so far (with 2 x 22R 50W) and the mounting plate gets quite hot.
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by Nick » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:35 pm

No much of a problem. You will get a bit more degeneration with the unbipassed resistance, but its unlikely to be a issue.
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by IslandPink » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:57 am

I hadn't spotted this problem before, but Izzy Wizzy has pointed out that the G2 maximum voltage rating for the GK-71 is only 400V :
http://www.goldenmiddle.com/files/GK71.pdf
Which seems a bit mean given the 1.5kV limit on the anode.
This, if correct, would rather limit the available power ( in A1 ) when they are used in triode mode.
I would estimate, given i ran 465V B+ and reckoned about 3W output, that with 400V from cathode to G2/anode and 80V bias, hence B+ 480V, you might only get 4 to 5 W output.
Not that this wouldn't sound good - from my experience even 3W was very nice and had great bass - but not enough to drive 'normal' speakers.

I do wonder if this rating is real though - it might be worth finding out if anyone in Russia has used them with less concern !
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by Nick » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:12 pm

Most big pentodes have that sort of limitation. For example EL34, Va=800, Vg2=500.

Not sure there is a official answer other than it seems to work ignoring the value if triode connected and a limiting screen resistor is used.
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by Paul Barker » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:47 pm

Agreed, the voltage limit set for screen in normal use. Triode Connexion not usually applicable.
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by Mike H » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:11 pm

If only for triode mode, has anyone tried tying the screen grid to the signal grid?
 
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by izzy wizzy » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:36 pm

Paul Barker wrote:
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Agreed, the voltage limit set for screen in normal use. Triode Connexion not usually applicable.
It's one of those try it and see. Some burn up the g2 as it goes over disapation. Some leak too much into the grid. And some are fine. It's what made me choose the 813 but even its g2 v max is way below the anode at 1100v. Also depends on the application and how hard it is being run. Keep in mind max g1 resistance too.

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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by thomas » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:28 pm

Nick wrote:
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Most big pentodes have that sort of limitation. For example EL34, Va=800, Vg2=500.

Not sure there is a official answer other than it seems to work ignoring the value if triode connected and a limiting screen resistor is used.
My GK71 amp (6n1p /dc/ 6n6p /Tx/ GK71 in triode mode) runs with a Va of around 550v , cathode biased at around -75v. g2 is connected to the anode with a humble 100ohm resistor..... what sort of value of limiting resistor would you suggest, please Nick?

I did briefly check online what sorts of Va folk were running trioded GK71s with and there seemed to be a few running at higher voltages than mine....not that that means it's OK of course...

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Post by izzy wizzy » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:05 pm

I went for a web trawl and found this Russian site talking about GK71. In Google translation it is quite funny but the general idea seems the GK71 sounds great, some like it better than the GM70. Some have run it up as a triode around 900V which is very interesting.

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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by Nick » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:48 pm

what sort of value of limiting resistor would you suggest, please Nick
100R seems about ok to me.
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by izzy wizzy » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:06 pm

izzy wizzy wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:05 pm
I went for a web trawl and found this Russian site talking about GK71. In Google translation it is quite funny but the general idea seems the GK71 sounds great, some like it better than the GM70. Some have run it up as a triode around 900V which is very interesting.
Whoops, forgot the link
http://audio-db.info/AudioDB/BazaPrakti ... it/GK/GK71

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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by pre65 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:09 pm

My GK-71 amp is in essence the Nicholas Chua GM70 circuit with a few additions to make the GK-71 act as a triode.

http://diyparadise.com/nikcgm70.html
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by thomas » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:06 am

And here's mine for posterity.....

No prizes for originality.....I started off with two 6n6ps which sounded very nice, but changed V1 to a 6n1p for a touch more gain, and played with the biasing until I thought it was about right.
Ideally I think I could have upped the 320v and rebias and run a bit more current through V2 but never got round to it, until the regulators blew at Owston and I err had to....
Looking at my fake centre tap for the GK71 filaments I may be overworking the heater supply a bit, I might increase the resistor values (8r5) a bit.
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Re: GK-71 - economical build.

Post by IslandPink » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:41 am

Good to know you're getting along OK with G2 at 625V :)
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